Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Upcoming ISI Show: Harold Camping Debates Dr. James White, July 28 & 29

UPDATE: Due to the overwhelming response to this two-day radio/Internet debate please help us take the burden off of WNYG's servers by listening to the program on the Dividing Line link available at http://www.aomin.org/!



From Dr James White:

We just confirmed that next Tuesday and Wednesday, July 28th and 29th, I will be debating Harold Camping on the Iron Sharpens Iron radio program on the topic of Camping's teaching that the church has ceased to exist. As some of you may know, Harold Camping has been teaching for years now that the church age has ended; that no one can get saved in the church any longer; that true believers should flee the churches, etc. I wrote my book Dangerous Airwaves in response to Camping's teachings on this topic. Well, Chris Arnzen has once again found a way to make a debate happen that nobody thought could ever happen. So, for two days next week we will debate this topic. I will defend the biblical position that Christ's church remains His bride and that Christians are to be faithful in their service to Christ through her, and that Harold Camping's wild-eyed gymnastics with the text, his use of allegory and numerology, etc., is a gross abuse of inspired Scripture. Make no mistake about it: this will end up being a debate over how you handle the Bible and allow God to speak. As I said in response to Camping years ago in Dangerous Airwaves:

The grammatical-historical method of interpretation is a means of guaranteeing that we are hearing what the text says, not what we wantthe text to say. This is a vitally important point, especially when it comes to the Scriptures. When reading secular texts we are not nearly as tempted to insert a foreign meaning into the words of the author, since it is rare that such a text would be given sufficient importance to warrant the effort. We naturallyapply sound rules of interpretation to such documents since we are not at all threatened by theresults. But when it comes to the text of the Bible, much more is at stake. But if we are consistent in our beliefs, and truly want to hear what the Scriptures are saying and not what we want them to say or feel they should say, we need to have a means of reading the text that does not allow us to slipour own thoughts into the text under the guise of interpretation. The Bible needs to say the same thing in each language, in each culture, in each context, or it cannot be the means of communicating the truth to us that Christians believe it to be. The grammatical-historical method allows us to be both honest and consistent with the text of the Bible.

The fundamental reason we must reject allegorical interpretation of the biblical text is really quite simple: it is unverifiable. That is, there is no possible way to determine that the results of using allegorical methodology have anything whatsoever to do with the actual meaning of the text. One man's allegorical understanding can have no compelling force upon the thinking of another, for that person may well seesomething completely different in the text. Since the means provided by human language to communicate meaning are by-passed in the allegorical method, there are no "safety nets" to keep one from wandering off into the most fanciful of "interpretations" of the text. Hence, the person who says "the allegorical meaning of this text is such and so" cannot claim the actual authority of the text for his interpretation, for the actual source of the interpretation is not the text itself but the mind of the interpreter. This is why we say there can be no compelling force to one's allegorical interpretation, for it is merely personal, and if anyone else accepts it, it is because they choose to trust the allegorical interpreter rather than the text itself. Allegorical interpretations can have no more authority than the one proclaiming them.

When applied to the biblical text this methodology is devastating. The authority of the text is destroyed. No allegorical interpreter can honestly say, "The Word of God says," for in reality, the Word of God has been replaced with the more or less fancifulthoughts of the interpreter himself. The Christian doctrine of inspiration sets the Christian Scriptures apart from all other claimed divine revelations in that Christians believe the Scriptures are God-breathed. This means the written word communicates to us infallibly the very speaking of God in a miraculously personal manner (Matthew 22:31). The authority of the Word is not based upon the interpreter but upon the inspired text itself. The message of the written Word is the same through the course oftime. Without this affirmation, the Word becomes a purely subjective document, incapable of communicating divine truth with certainty.


This point cannot be over-emphasized. Allegorical interpretation destroys biblical authority. It replaces the divine message with the imaginations of the interpreter, and as such opens the door wide for every kind of abuse of the text. False teachers, seeking to draw away disciples after themselves (Acts 20:30), utilize such means to release themselves from the unchanging standards of Gods Word and insert, under the guise of thus sayeth the Lord, their own pet doctrines and teachings. The Christian who is untaught and unstable, a novice in the Word, can easily be taken in by such a teacher who exudes confidence and often hides the false teachings behind a veneer of self-professed orthodoxy. So when we defend proper exegetical methodology, we are not merely arguing about tangential issues, we are, in reality, defending the very authority of the Word, and its ability to speak with clarity and force to each generation and in every place.

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LAMBSFURY said...

"For we must ALL APPEAR before THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST; that EVERY ONE may receive the things done in his body, according to that HE HATH DONE, whether it be good or bad. KNOWING therefore THE TERROR OF THE LORD, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."  II Corinthians 5:10-11

As Paul was speaking to the church at Corinth, he is stating a truth that is clear from the Bible.

All humanity must appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ and be judged according to the things he hath done.

Nothing can be more terrifying than to appear before Christ unsaved, having no payment for sin.

That is why he said KNOWING therefore the TERROR OF THE LORD, is why we persuade men to flee to Christ for salvation.

The truth of judgment was KNOWN 2000 years ago.

This idea from the Campingites that only in our day is true judgment known, is a delusion from their twisted apostate minds.

The terror of the Lord is that Christ will return in Judgement and all humanity will consciously experience this.

Camping and his slaves take away this truth by claiming that dead is dead, and that the "terror of the Lord" of standing before the Judgment Seat of Christ, is just a terror upon one's bones!!!!!

This is how pathetic Camping's cult is...

"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for WE SHALL ALL STAND BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall GIVE ACCOUNT of himself to God."  Romans 14:10-12

Same truth in Romans 14.  All humanity will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, and "give account" of himself to God.

"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall JUDGE the quick and the dead AT HIS APPEARING and his kingdom"  II Timothy 4:1

Christ judges the world the last day, at His appearing - John 12:48

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall GIVE ACCOUNT thereof in THE DAY OF JUDGMENT."  Matthew 12:36

All give account - Romans 14:12, Matthew 12:36, at the Day of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ.

The Campingites want you to think it is "bones" that are "giving account" and "bones" that are standing before the judgment seat of Christ

Satan rules all the Campingites..

Lets look at faithful commentaries of II Corinthians 5:11 and the TERROR of the LORD that is KNOWN:

"....or rather THE TERROR OF THE LORD IN THE LAST JUDGMENT, which will be very great, considering the awfulness of the summons, arise ye dead, and come to judgment; the appearance of the Judge, which will be sudden, surprising, and glorious; the placing of the thrones, the opening of the books, the position of the wicked, the dreadful sentence pronounced on them, and the immediate execution of it...; and that the day is fixed for it, though they know not the exact time: and therefore"  John Gill

"....the certainty of this judgment, for we must appear; the universality of it, for we must all appear; the great Judge before whose judgment-seat we must appear, the Lord Jesus Christ, who himself will appear in flaming fire; The apostle calls this awful judgment the terror of the Lord"  Matthew Henry

"....the coming judgment, so full of terrors to unbelievers"  Jamieson,Fausett, Brown

"Knowing therefore....what an object of terror and alarm it will be to stand at the judgment-seat; how fearful and awful will be the consequences of the trial of that day......and when countless hosts of the guilty and impenitent shall be thrust down to an eternal hell. Who can describe the amazing terror of the scene? Barnes Notes on the New Testament

Now we have Camping's absurd explanation of the terror of the Lord

"We persuade men to become saved, so there is not terror upon THEIR BONES!!"

Campingism = A complete mockery of the Word of God.

Anonymous said...

Borrowing a good comment from "Gabriel", posted in a Family Radio discussion thread - which I completely agree with:

"That sums it up right there Marc. Camping offers the perfect recipe for deception, "mixing truth with error."

It wrenches me when callers ask him scriptural proof about May 21, 2011 and he always brings up the story of Noah and how God told him, "7 days..."

Camping insinuates that God was speaking mysteriously to other generations in that He would destroy the world by fire 7000 years later. He supports his theory with 2 Peter 3:8 "A day like a thousand years...."

He fails to see that Peter was speaking about the patience and longsuffering of God towards humanity. God's timing is not our timing and he is gracious, but not slacking in the promise of his return.

Camping doesn't see that, or he refuses to accept it. Either way he is too knowledgeable for his own good.

The majority of the ingredients in rat poison is edible, it's that small percentage that'll kill you.

Anonymous said...

My reply to Gabriel:

The poison is freely offered by all of our adopted earthly teachers - not just Harold Camping. It cannot destroy the believers, but it can render us very sickly and weak.

The gospel is all about "repentance" which is never heard about much today.

I recalled the phrase "and the children of Israel did evil [again] in the sight of the Lord", so I counted them from the book of Judges and came up with this very revealing spiritual number: "7". This spiritual number, however, has no meaning for those who must fit it into the Camping timeline.

The corresponding phrase, "[And] the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel" is stated exactly 4 times.

What really happened to the ELECT Ninevites is that they *repented*. Repentance is still a needed grace for all believers today - until our last breath. Being clothed in sackcloth and ashes typifies repentance, not the new-heart conversion. Repentance is for believers, not non-believers.

The ongoing cycle until the end:

Sin;
Judgment;
Repentance;
Mercy.

Unknown said...

April,

Here's a question that I raise . . .I'm sure there is a simple explanation.

I noted that the commentator named June had replicated a post from your blog relating to Lambsfury, whom you referred to as Thomas Golda of New Jersey, in which you make reference to his attendance or lack thereof at church on Sunday, which you call into question as you pointed out that he was busy posting multiple comments at this blogsite, even going so far as to note the times throughout the course of the day in which he made those comments. I also noted that June removed her comment from this blog out of deference it would appear to you. Then I noted that you wiped the original post clean from your personal blogsite as well. Now in political terms April, this would be called a cover-up and/or whitewash. Please explain

As Paul Harvey used to say, I'd like to know the rest of the story.

Also, what is your connection with Thomas Golda, aka Lambsfury?

And by the way, one can't help but notice how both Thomas Golda and Chris Amzen are two big muscular guys . . do they work out at the same gym?

Dennis O'DAY

If anyone wishes to contact me, please do so here:
dennis.oday1@gmail.com

LAMBSFURY said...

Camping and his slaves state that the elect are raptured 5 months before the Last Day, not on the Last Day. 

But the Bible states:

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at THE LAST DAY."  John 6:39

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at THE LAST DAY"  John 6:40

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at THE LAST DAY."  John 6:44

"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at THE LAST DAY."  John 6:54

"Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at THE LAST DAY."  John 11:24

The elect will rise at the resurrection at the LAST DAY, not "5 months before the last day." 

There is only one "Last Day."

Since the elect are raised the Last Day, the unsaved are also raised the last day, as the elect and non-elect are raised TOGETHER

"Marvel not at this: for THE HOUR IS COMING, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall HEAR HIS VOICE, And shall COME FORTH; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."  John 5:28-29

The elect and non-elect are raised at the same time.  The "hour is coming" when all in the graves will hear His voice.  Both the elect and non-elect are raised the Last Day

"The queen of the south shall RISE UP in the judgment WITH THE MEN OF THIS GENERATION, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment WITH THIS GENERATION, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. "  Luke 11:31-32

The elect will RISE UP in the judgment WITH the men of this generation and CONDEMN THEM.  The rising of the elect occurs "with" the non-elect, at the same time.

Since the elect are raised the last day, the unsaved are raised the last day.....not 5 months before the last day.

"And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be A RESURRECTION of the dead, BOTH of the just AND unjust."  Acts 24:15

There is "A resurrection of the dead" on the Last Day, BOTH of the elect and non-elect.  The elect and non-elect rise together.

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."  Daniel 12:2

The elect and non-elect rise together on the last day.

"And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets"  Revelation 8:2

"And the fifth angel sounded......"  Revelation 9:1

Seven angels have seven trumpets.  The last trumpet is the 7th trumpet, which is Judgment Day - Rev 11:15-18.  In Revelation 9:1, God indicates the events of Revelation 9 are the 5th trumpet.  Therefore, this is NOT the last trump, and not the last day.

Revelation 9 has nothing to do with a pre-last day rapture.

In addition:

1. There is no verse that states the elect are raptured in Revelation 9
2. There is no verse indicating any resurrection in Revelation 9
3. There is no verse that Christ returns in Revelation 9
4. Revelation 9:4 is language from Ezekiel 9:4-6 and is not language of the last day, as the elect in Ezekiel were not raptured and were still on the earth.

The idea of a 5-month pre-last day rapture is a delusion out of the minds of men.  It is not taught in the Bible.

LAMBSFURY said...

"And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be THRUST DOWN TO HELL"(Strong 86)  Luke 10:15

Jesus promises that Capernaum will be thrust down to hell. The very same hell that the rich man was cast into:

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And IN HELL(Strong 86) he lift up his eyes, BEING IN TORMENTS, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and THOU ART TORMENTED."  Luke 16:22-25

Looking at other phrases of hell:

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go INTO HELL, into the fire that NEVER shall be QUENCHED: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be CAST INTO HELL, into the fire that NEVER shall be QUENCHED: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is NOT QUENCHED. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be CAST INTO HELL FIRE: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is NOT QUENCHED."  Mark 9:43-48

HELL FIRE is not a temporary time period of 5-months as the Campingites are claiming, it is eternal.  In looking at how the Bible defines HELL.

1. It is eternal, and the fire is never quenched.
2. It is a place of conscious torment, as the rich man suffered
3. All the unsaved will endure it, no matter when they lived, such as the city of Capernaum

Capernaum is suffering eternal torment, just as the rich man.  Jesus further confirms that the torment the rich man suffered, he will never escape:

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."  Luke 16:26

Those tormented in hell, like the rich man can never pass out of it,  A great gulf is fixed eternally.

The apostates of Camping will try to pretend to make these verses to away.  They think Camping's progressive revelations can make it disappear.  The will focus on dates to "divert" from his apostasy. 

They think they can make hell "temporary" with an apostate 5-month doctrine.

They think they can escape the torments of hell, by physical death.

Remember, the slaves of Camping are cowards.  They are not Bible believers.  Their authority is the books of Camping, not the Word of God.  The Word of God is clear:

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,Tribulation and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN that doeth EVIL, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile"  Romans 2:8-9

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and HE SHALL BE TORMENTED with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb"  Revelation 14:10

"Let them be confounded and TROUBLED FOR EVER; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish"  Psalm 83:17

Tom

Unknown said...

READERS OF THIS BLOG would do well to remember in light of the debate which was to focus particularly on Harold Camping's teaching on the “END OF THE CHURCH AGE” that it is men like James White and his contemporary scholars who have used their gifts . . their talents . . their energies to introduce and promote a “new & improved” English translation of the Bible, namely the NASB, and in so doing, have done their part to contribute to the wholesale confusion, contention, division, strife,
and babel, that so characterizes Christ's church today.

Imagine a classroom setting where students could choose their own text book on a particular course of study, I.e., Science, Math. Why there would be utter confusion! No one would be reading from the same page! Both teacher and student would be confounded. That is what this unending stream of “new & improved” bible versions has produced in the church.

Instead of being a Christian apologist in the truest sense of the word, that is, being set for the “defence of the gospel” (Phil. 1:17), Mr. White and his peers have applied their higher learning to call into question and raise doubts as to the veracity, the inerrancy, the truth of God's Word.

I believe there is an interesting parallel to be found here with that of the Scribes and Pharisees who questioned the truthfulness of Christ . . . the Word made flesh (John 1:14) in the testimony He bore to them, which was met with the same resistance, suspicion, doubt, strife, debate, contention, and even anger. The Gospels are replete with such examples . . read them for yourselves.

The authority of God's Word has been greatly undermined by the infiltration of so-called modern versions of the Bible thrust upon the Christian community and embraced by prominent church leaders. and has driven many of its' members out of the church, not Harold Camping. This then is the bitter harvest reaped by the seeds of confusion sown by these conflicting and contradicting perversions of God's Word. “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” (Amos 3:3)
James White was a Critical Consultant to the Updated NASB. http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbprin.php

It would be well to note now, as some may not even be aware, that the late Dr. Frank Logsdon, who was a member of the translation committee for the New American Standard Version (NASB), has denounced his work on that Bible and urged all Christians to return to the Authorized Version, commonly known as the King James Bible. Consider his solemn words:

“I must under God renounce every attachment to the New American Standard...I'm afraid I'm in trouble with the Lord...We laid the groundwork; I wrote the format; I helped interview some of the translators; I sat with the translator; I wrote the preface...
I'm in trouble; I can't refute these arguments; it's wrong, it's terribly wrong; and what am I going to do about it? ...I can no longer ignore these criticisms I am hearing and I can't refute them...”
Link: http://www.preservingthebible.org/DR.%20FRANK%20LOGSDON.htm
See also: 'The NASB Denounced . . . Dr. S. Frank Logsdon's Testimony' here: http://kjv.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/Logsdon.html

May God in His mercy be pleased to open Mr. White's eyes, as He did for Mr. Logsdon, to the real problems confronting the church of Jesus Christ today and the underlying causes of them.

Unknown said...

Addendum to my most recent post:

James White's book, 'The King James Only Controversy' is examined and critiqued by church doctors and pastors alike via the following links:

"The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations?"
A Critique of James R. White's book By Dr. Thomas D. Holland, Th. D
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Holland1.html

Problems with the book "The King James Only Controversy, Can You Trust the Modern Translations?"
By Tom Whitney
http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/whitney-kjoc.html

The King James Only Controversy-
Answered . . Do not Trust the Modern Translations!
An Exposé of the fallacies of James R. White
By Pastor Hugo W.K. Schönhaar of TORONTO BAPTIST CHURCH
Link:http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/resource/toronto.htm

Anonymous said...

"And now... Page 3":

Okay, I confess, it was supposed to be a cover-up, a whitewash and a conspiracy but I guess I just wasn't smart enough to pull it off. You have a sharp eye, there Denny, so my guess is, you aren't a Camping supporter.

LAMBSFURY said...

Revelation 22:10, Revelation 22:18 - Progressive Revelation Has Ended

"And he saith unto me, SEAL NOT the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."  Revelation 22:10

As God completed the Canon, He declares that nothing is to be sealed anymore.

When God was still delivering progressive revelation in the times of the Old Testament, God command things to be sealed:

"Bind up the testimony, SEAL the law among my disciples."  Isaiah 8:16

"And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore SHUT THOU UP the vision; for it shall be for many days."  Daniel 8:26

"But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP the words, and SEAL THE BOOK, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."  Daniel 12:4

"And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are CLOSED UP AND SEALED till the time of the end."  Daniel 12:9

Once the Bible was completed, there is no more unsealing.

"And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are CLOSED UP and SEALED till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."  Daniel 12:9-10

"And he saith unto me, SEAL NOT the sayings of the prophecy of THIS BOOK: for THE TIME IS AT HAND. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."  Revelation 22:10-11

Notice the similarity of Daniel 12:9-10 and Revelation 22:10-11.  Both are talking about the righteous and the wicked.  The only difference is that in Daniel 12:9-10, the book is sealed, and in Revelation 22:10-11, the book is no longer sealed.

Once Revelation 22:18 was declared and the Canon completed, that ENDED progressive revelation.

The Campingites all think that something is being unsealed to them and their god Camping.

Just as this "additional" progressive revelation was able to be "added" to the already written word, such as the Old Testament, as progressive revelation given to JOHN at Patmos became the Word of God....those who still claim progressive revelation exists today and further opening of seals are ADDING to the Word of God...despite how much they deny it.

Daniel 12:4,9 = Progressive Revelation continues, the book is closed, the Canon is not completed.

Rev 22:10/Rev 22:18 = Progressive Revelation ends, the book is opened, the Canon is completed.

All false progressive revelation cults today are in violation of Revelation 22:18, as they believe that the final revelation was NOT given to John, but is given to their cult leader of today.

Campingism is a false gospel, a false religion, and its followers will have the plagues of hell added to them.

Tom

LAMBSFURY said...

"And he saith unto me, SEAL NOT the sayings of the prophecy of THIS BOOK: for THE TIME IS AT HAND." Revelation 22:10

Looking at faithful commentaries of Revelation 22:10

"Do NOT lay them up for future generations; they concern the present times; they must shortly come to pass, for THE TIME IS AT HAND."  Adam Clark commentary

"Daniel 12:4, 9 were commanded to seal up their prophecies..... On the other hand, the events which John had predicted, though in their ultimate development they were to extend to the end of the world, and even into eternity, were about to begin to be fulfilled, and were to be of immediate use in consoling a persecuted Church. John, therefore, was directed NOT to seal up his predictions; not to lay them away to be opened, as it were, in distant ages; but to leave them open, so that a persecuted church might have access to them, and might in times of persecution and trial have the assurance that the principles of their religion would finally triumph"  Barnes Notes on New Testament

"Do not seal the words of this prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand: Because the time is at hand, and history now runs parallel to the brink of the consummation of all things, this book ISN'T SEALED This is in contrast to Old Testament prophecy (Daniel 8:26); men seal the Book of Revelation in defiance of God's command."  David Guzik

"In Daniel 12:4,9 the command is, "Seal the book," for the vision shall be "for many days." The fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy was distant, that of JOHN'S PROPHESY IS NEAR. The New Testament is the time of the END and FULFILLMENT...." Jamieson/Fausett, Brown

"Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book. To seal them would mean to conceal them and store them away. But they are NOT TO BE HIDDEN. The time had come for the fulfillment to begin."  People's New Testament

"And he saith to me - After a little pause. Seal not the sayings of this book - Conceal them NOT, like the things that are sealed up. The TIME IS NIGH - Wherein they shall begin to take place."  John Wesley

"That is, propound this prophecy openly to all and CONSEAL NO PART OF IT . The contrary to that which is commanded in Isaiah 8:16, Daniel 8:26"  Geneva Study Bible

"This book is to be left OPEN FOR ALL TO READ"  Robertson word pictures

"By the order given to leave the book of the prophecy OPEN, to be perused by all, that they might labour to understand it, that they might make their objections against it, and compare the prophecy with the events. God here deals freely and openly with all; he does not speak in secret, but calls every one to witness to the declarations here made. By the effect this book, thus kept open, will have upon men; those that are filthy and unjust will take occasion thence to be more so, but it will confirm, strengthen, and further sanctify those that are upright with God; it will be a savour of life to some and of death to others, and so will appear to be from God....May every one who hears or reads these words, desire at once to accept the gracious invitation. All are CONDEMNED who should DARE to CORRUPT or CHANGE the word of God, either by ADDING to it, or TAKING FROM IT."  Matthew Henry

The reason why the Campingites have fallen away so bad, is because they followed a progressive gospel that was false from the start.

Whenever you start hearing these apostates using terms like "the seals are being opened," that is language that they are apostate. As they feel that Camping is the one to complete the Revelation of God.

Revelation 22:18 will be their eternal fate as the plagues of hell will be added to them.

LAMBSFURY said...

"And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, GO and TAKE THE LITTLE BOOK which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, GIVE ME THE LITTLE BOOK. And he said unto ME, TAKE IT, and EAT it up; and it shall make THY belly bitter, but it shall be in THY mouth sweet as honey.And I TOOK THE LITTLE BOOK out of the angel's hand, and ATE it up; and it was in MY mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I HAD eaten it, MY belly was bitter. And he said unto ME, THOU must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings"  Revelation 10:8-11

The latest Camping Satanic doctrine is that "the little book" is specifically all the new satanic doctrines that Camping has come up with over the last year or two.

Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who was the little book initially given to?? THE APOSTLE JOHN.  He was given the little book, he ate the little book, and in his mouth it was sweet as honey and made his belly bitter.

Again, Campingites...who took the little book? JOHN

Thus, this idea that the little book was "sealed" for the past 2000 years is apostate!!

John was revealed all that the little book contained.

And the little book is part of this book, the Bible

And the book is no longer sealed:

"And he saith unto me, Seal NOT the sayings of the prophecy of THIS BOOK: for the time is at hand."  Revelation 22:10

And the book is not to be "added" to:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK"  Revelation 22:18

Everything that was sealed, was unsealed to John.  JOHN ate the little book.  John was GIVEN the little book. 

Not your god Camping!!!!!

Progressive revelation is FALSE.

Next, Camping is going to say that the apostle John was just a parable!!!!!

Campingites....don't you feel foolish?

Tom

LAMBSFURY said...

"When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have NOT FOUND so great faith, no, NOT IN ISRAEL. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM shall be CAST OUT INTO OUTER DARKNESS: there shall be WEEPING and GNASHING OF TEETH."  Matthew 8:10-12

Attn: Family Radio and Camping Cult Members

In Matthew 8:10-12, Jesus indicates that the children of the kingdom, ancient Israel, will be cast into outer darkness and suffer weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell.

If Jesus condemned the Jews of His day and declared they would suffer weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell, how can this be if "dead is dead?"

All throughout the Bible Jesus condemned the unbelieving Jews of His day....said they will suffer worse than Sodom at the Day of Judgment - Matthew 11:23-24, said the Pharisees will suffer greater damnation - Matthew 23:14, and in the verses above, said they will suffer weeping and gnashing of teeth in outer darkness, meaning eternal hell.

So, how can the Jews of Jesus' day suffer this weeping and gnashing of teeth, if dead is dead?

Oh I see, you want this to be talking about those who did not listen to Camping.

HELL in outer darkness where they will weep and gnash of teeth, only applies to those who rejected the Open Forum program....according to the Campingites.

Jesus was teaching His disciples and the Roman Centurian who had great faith, about Harold Camping and Family Radio.

This is what the Campingites want you to believe...

The reality is, all those not saved, no matter when they lived, such as the Jews of Jesus' day, will WEEP and GNASH OF TEETH in HELL.

To the bitter dismay of the Campingites

Your annihilation god of Baal and all its followers will be tormented eternally in the gates of hell...

As you cry to your god Camping for help...

And your god Camping can't save you as Jesus says:

"....and THOU ART TORMENTED" Luke 16:25

Unknown said...

And I asked of April .........
Here's a question that I raise . . .I'm sure there is a simple explanation.

I noted that the commentator named June had replicated a post from your blog relating to Lambsfury, whom you referred to as Thomas Golda of New Jersey, in which you make reference to his attendance or lack thereof at church on Sunday,

April....thank you for the reply ,however you did not give me /us any answers to my questions so i ask again.

#1 why did June Take down the remarks from this blog?
# 2 then why did "you " remove the same lines about Thomas Golda
from N.J?

Any reasonable thinking person would come to the conclusion that someone called you and "put on some pressure" then you added some pressure to June ,so as in Washington DC we have a "WHITEWASH"
I /we would like to have an explanation,also what is your connection with Thomas Golda?
now I ask you for a serious reply
not a comical "whimsical answer
to what I /we consider a serious
"question "
awaiting you serious reply?

Dennis O'Day
should anyone wish to contact me direct regarding this matter please do so here.
dennis.oday@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Dennis Day,

I realize you/them are full of serious questions, but 'Ladies first' as they say. Please answer these 5 serious questions for me in detail. Then, when you have finished answering these 5 questions to my satisfaction, I will ask 5 more. And then another 5, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

1. Do you apply only the first time comparison of 2nd Peter 3:8 ("one day as a thousand years") to the timeline to May 21, 2011? Is the 2nd time comparison ("a thousand years as a day" also a literal timepath? If not, can you explain why it isn't?

2. Do you believe that Genesis 1:1, Acts 16:31 and Romans 5:1 contain hidden truths (parabolic)?

3. Is Jesus the Son and also the "Father"?

4. When did Jesus make atonement for your sins? Before the foundation of the world? Or when He died on the cross on Calvary?

5. Who do all the "thee's" refer to in Jer. 30:10-11?

I/we thank you for your serious answers.

LAMBSFURY said...

The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, LET HIM SPEAK MY WORD FAITHFULLY. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD."  Jeremiah 23:28

"And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; FOR YE HAVE PERVERTED THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD, of the LORD of hosts our God."  Jeremiah 23:36

Attn: Family Radio & Campingites

Jeremiah 23:36 is a frightening warning upon those who "pervert" the words of the Living God.

That is exactly what YOU have done.

You have butched and massacred the Word of God in order to bring glory to your Satanic organization.

Your apostate doctrines of annihilation, no conscious resurrection of the unsaved, a resurrection of rotted bones, no visible return of Christ, no final Judgment Day when all give account, the Cross being a parable, progressive revelation date settings, all prove that YOU HAVE PERVERTED THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD.

Family Radio and their hell-bound disciples have perverted the words of the Living God.  God promises:

"For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in FURY, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall FALL GRIEVOUSLY upon THE HEAD OF THE WICKED"  Jeremiah 23:18-19

You can continue to delude others that this means a grievous whirlwind that will fall on the "rotted bones" of the wicked. 
If you continue to pervert the words of the living God, God declares your eternal fate:

"And I will BRING an EVERLASTING REPROACH UPON YOU, and a PERPETUAL SHAME, which shall NOT BE FORGOTTEN"  Jeremiah 23:40

Unknown said...

April....Your answer is "your answer"
When I read where you said in your comment and I paraphrase >if you have a question for me then just ask>Well it seems as though you were not very truthful and forthcoming there.When someone is backed into the corner they resort to this kind of a game
"change the base" deny deny blame the other guy what ever you do do not answer the question..s
it depends on what your definition
of "IS " "IS " SO YOU NOW HAVE PUT YOURSELF IN THAT CATAGORY SO
I /THE READERS CAN COME TO ONLY ONE CONCLUSION AND THAT BEING THAT YES THERE IS A WHITEWASH AND A COVER UP.
So that those who read what you have to write will and must take it with a grain of salt.you have shown what you are made of.
This then will conclude this matter with you. It is what it is
You are what you are >>>
For those who wish to write to me on this matter the matter of the white wash and cover up please do so here.
dennis.o'day@gmail.com

Dennis O'Day

Unknown said...

ATTENTION : Thomas Golda
aka >lambsfury

my question s
How is it that just the week before the interview with White & Camping
that you wrote IN AGREEMENT WITH CAMPING ????
Then as a tree branch fell from a tree and hit you on the head you changed and wrote AGAINST Camping!
I think as i remember I did or someone did mention Jekyll & Hyde
or like in the days of the old west there were "GUNS FOR HIRE"
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IN THIS DAY
THERE ARE "WRITERS FOR HIRE"
I really wish your name was "Joe "
so I could say say it isn't so "Joe".
But alas you may be what we shall call a "Starvin Writer "named Tom

Who just dropped a "BOMB"
here is some of what I have just found ,you seem to have the ability to write out of "BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH"
WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR AN EXPLANATION,a short one,a long one
whatever!
....................................................................

By Thomas Golda

While there is much evidence that the Great Tribulation ends on May 21, 2011, with "those days after the tribulation" beginning Sunday May 22, 2011, in fulfillment of Daniel 12:12-13, the "rapture" does not take place during those days after the GT, it takes place at the very end of the world when Christ returns. Believers will be here on earth for the final 153 days to the last day of the FOT.

Remember, for 23 years is the GT. This was God's judgment upon the churches. Believers were not raptured. Believers are here "on earth" while this is happening. Noah was "on earth" while the judgment occured in his day, Lot remained "on earth." The Israelites were "on earth" while the plagues occured to the Egyptians.The following are from Thomas Golda ....personal studies
etc

http://pablo33319.home.comcast.net/~pablo33319/Personal%20Studies.htm

http://home.comcast.net/~pablo33319/Biblical%20Calendar.htm

Thomas I note at this site that you in fact AGREE with Harold Camping that the wold WILL END IN MAY OF 2011......

http://pablo33319.home.comcast.net/~pablo33319/Works%20of%20Others/Timeline%20of%20the%20End%20by%20Thomas%20Golda.htm

SHOULD ANYONE WISH TO WRITE ME PLEASE DO SO HERE
dennis.oday1@gmail.com

and thank you
Dennis O'Day

LAMBSFURY said...

You said"

"Thomas I note at this site that you in fact AGREE with Harold Camping that the wold WILL END IN MAY OF 2011"

and

"How is it that just the week before the interview with White & Camping that you wrote IN AGREEMENT WITH CAMPING ????"

and

"WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR AN EXPLANATION"
***********************************************************************

I don't know who you are, and honestly, I really don't care. You are just another faceless Campingite......weak, feeble-minded and no will of his own.

However, to answer your questions so you are less "confused," as you seem somewhat mentally disturbed to start with.

The information you posted that I did, was not done "a week" before Camping's pathetic interview.

It was done "months" before Camping even quoted the date over a year ago.

While you don't know who I am, a few who are posting here do.

All of Camping's information in his book "We are almost there" came from me, as I personally communicated these things with Camping back in 2007. The 722,500 days, the 17th day of the second month, etc....you can find all these studies on the Internet, which you quoted, dated long "before" Camping was even aware of it.....

Because, at that time, I was an apostate Campingite, in violation of Rev 22:18, and a full blown date setter.

So, you are not going "to teach me" about the magic of date setting....as I am full aware of all the garbage being taught.

Like many other cults and false churches, people "come out" of them. Whether the Watchtower, the RCC church, the charismatics, etc....people learn the error of their ways and repent. Such as Luther did once he saw how the Pope and the RCC church was false. People "come out" of it.

The same is true with the Camping cult(Your Pope)....people "come out" of it, as they learn they are not of God and Satanic.

And, like any cult, the greatest witnesses against it, are those who were once apart of it...

So I once believed in "progressive revelation" in violation of Rev 22:18, being a full-blown cursed Campingite.

This of course angers the Campingites, as they don't like it when one "leaves the compound" without "their permission."

Well now....there is not much they can do about it, now can they? Not physically, not in any other way...

And once May 21 comes and goes, assuming Christ does not return before this to snare you all, guess what...then I will further expose your cult even more...

And there is not a thing you can do to stop it.....

Unknown said...

att: let's just call him Tom
or lamsfury or just hey there...
now ask any reasonable thinking person would read what you just wrote above then that same person would read the date ....which sticks out as a sore thumb and then decide what is TRUTH......NOW THEN "TOM'
THERE IS NOTHING PERSONAL HERE .WHAT STAETED OUT TO BE A SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH WAS AND STILL IS .....Is the title that white uses "DR" a legitamate earned title ?
and the truth is no it is a doctered up titleas if he would go to the UK and decide that he now wants to be called SIR JAMES WHITE
then he would buy a sword and then kneel then raise the sword with his
right hand and tap his left shoulder and say out loud I James
White dub thyself a KNIGHT and when he would arise would look in the mirror and say to himself..........
SIR JAMES of WHITE you're cool !
now then here is the formula

white + matto + golda + radio host
spells trouble .especially if the
ministry that he has applied for a 501 c3 and applied with improper info...BIG TROUBLE AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT ANYONE KNOWING THE TRUTH BUT GOING ALONG WITH IT ...WOW
MORE TROUBLE ...............
NOW back to the date and perhaps someone should whisper in his "ear "hey gut drop the DR. then just maybe this will go away,sleep on it tell him....
this has been public now a bit long and some reporter is going to sniff out a story so he can be FAMOUS "
WELL BACK TO THE DATE IN QUESTION

This page was last updated: Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:36:15 PM


Most scripture reference where quoted are from the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible. A few quotations are made from the Young's Literal Translation (YLT) to enhance understanding of the .
Noah's 70 Year Tribulation -- A study to show that Noah's tribulation immediately before the flood mirrors the tribulations of Israel and Jacob and also the Great Tribulation of our days.
Nehemiah Builds the Wall of Jerusalem in 444 BC-A study to show that the Bible clearly reveals that the wall was in fact built in 444 B.C.
Noah, After the Flood- A look at all the Bible has to say about Noah after the flood and how he mirrors Jesus Christ!
Noah, Before and During the Flood- an examination of the historical statements about Noah from birth up to and during the flood.
Noah_Atonement Before Time - a comparison of the scriptures that reveal that the atonement was effected before the world began with Noah's life.
Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown- a study showing that God fulfilled His promise of overthrowing Nineveh in 40 days!
a quick study showing the prominent verses that God used to show me that why I should no longer attend church -- and not be in a local church. say it one more time for James White...............
a quick study showing the prominent verses that God used to show me that why I should no longer attend church -- and not be in a local church. ................

now the hour is late I'm very tired if i made a spelling error od so I'm sorry
Dennis
dennis.oday1@gmail.com
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LAMBSFURY said...

"And to the angel of THE CHURCH IN PHILADELPHIA write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and NO MAN CAN SHUT IT: for thou hast a little strength, and hast KEPT MY WORD, and hast NOT DENIED MY NAME. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I HAVE LOVED THEE. Because thou hast KEPT THE WORD of my patience, I also will KEEP THEE from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION, which shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to TRY THEM that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." Revelation 3:7-11

Amongst 6 churches in the Book of Revelation that had fallen away, one stood faithful. The church in Philadelphia.

What is this teaching? That even though the majority of churches out there in the world are apostate and fallen away, there will be a trickle here and there that stay faithful.

What does Jesus say about this church?

1. He sets before them an open door that "no man" can shut
2. They kept His Word
3. They did not deny His name
4. Christ loved them
5. Christ will keep them from the "hour of temptation" that will try all the world

Christ's blessings were upon this church that "no man" could shut.

Because they stayed faithful to the Word of God, as they had people there that were truly saved, they do not come under the Judgment of God.

So, the determination of whether Satan rules a church is not when "23x17x5" or some other lame time path that Camping pulls out, the determination of whether Satan rules a church is by the doctrines they hold and how many true elect are apart of that church.

If a church keeps His Word and stays faithful to the Word of God, God still saves out of that church, they have an "open door" and "no man can shut it."

SO, while apostasy is widespread and growing everyday, both in the churches and outside the churches(such as satanic ministries like Family Radio and all their date setting annihiliation Internet support groups) there may be a church here and there that is faithful to the Word of God, such as the church at Philadelphia.

The Jews, the synogogue of Satan, were against the faithful church at Philadelphia.

Christ promises that they will worship before their feet and they will know that Christ loved them.

On the last day, they will be consciously resurrected and will know the truth, as the they will come under the wrath of God.

So, while Christ hates apostate churches, and they are under the wrath of God, Christ "loves" faithful churches, such as the church at Philadelphia.

Just as Satan desires apostate churches to flourish, he also attacks faithful churches that remain faithful to the Word of God.... as Satan worked through the Jews, the synogogue of Satan, to attack the church at Philadelphia.

The church age continues to the Last Day, and God continues to save, continues to love, and continues to bless, churches that are faithful to the Word of God.

Tom

LAMBSFURY said...

"His lord said unto him, Well done, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord."  Matthew 25:23

"His lord answered and said unto him, Thou WICKED and SLOTHFUL SERVANT, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And CAST YE the UNPROFITABLE SERVANT into OUTER DARKNESS: there shall be WEEPING and GNASHING OF TEETH"  Matthew 25:26-30

"And CAST YE the UNPROFITABLE SERVANT into OUTER DARKNESS: there shall be WEEPING and GNASHING OF TEETH"  Matthew 25:30

There are two types of servants who serve the Lord.  Good and faithful servants and wicked, unprofitable servants.

Jesus declares that wicked, unprofitable servants are cast into outer darkness and suffer "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

That is, a living suffering in eternal hell.

Throughout time, there have been good and faithful servants and wicked and unproftable servants.

Those who are unsaved, who are wicked and unprofitable servants, will suffer eternal anguish in eternal hell.

Dead is not dead!

However, the Family Radio cult will come along and say "nobody understood these verses before."

What Camping's annihilation slaves are trying to deceive people with, is their teachings that the "good and faithful servants" are the disciples of Camping, and the "wicked and unprofitable servants" are those people who rejected his date settings, who are still alive in May 21!!! They want the Bible to be all about Camping.

Wrong!!!

The wicked and unprofitable servants are ALL the wicked servants in history, and they all will suffer anguish in hell:

"Tribulation and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN that DOETH EVIL, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile"  Romans 2:9

Camping and his annihilation slaves have deceived you.

Eternal torment is coming upon all the unsaved, and the Family Radio organization.

Tom

LAMBSFURY said...

"And he said unto them, It is NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW the TIMES or the SEAONS, which the Father hath PUT in HIS OWN POWER."  Acts 1:7

Below are some excellent commentaries on this verse:

John Gill

Which the Father hath put in his own power;

and not in the power of a creature, no, not of the angels; see Matthew 24:36. wherefore it is VAIN and SINFUL, as well as fruitless, to indulge a curious inquiry into these things, or into the times and seasons of what is future; as of the time of a MAN'S DEATH, of the end of the world, of the second coming of Christ" 

Barnes Notes on the New Testament

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father ONLY." God has uniformly REPROVED a vain curiosity on such points,

The times or the seasons. The difference between these words is, that the former denotes any time or period indefinite, or uncertain; the latter denotes a fixed, definite, or appropriate time. They seem to be used here to denote the periods of all classes of future events.

In his OWN POWER. That is, he has fixed them by his OWN AUTHORITY; he will bring them about in his own time and way; and therefore it is NOT PROPER for men anxiously to inquire into them.

David Guzik Commentary

It is not for you to know: Jesus WARNED the disciples AGAINST inquiring into aspects of the timing of God's kingdom, because those things belong to God the Father alone (which the Father has put in His own authority)

People's New Testament

"This was a reproof, not only to them, but to those in ALL AGES who seek to know "the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."

Matthew Henry

They were earnest in asking about that which their Master never had directed or encouraged them to seek. Our Lord knew that his ascension and the teaching of the Holy Spirit would soon end these expectations, and therefore only gave them a rebuke; but it is a caution to his church in all ages, to TAKE HEED of a desire of FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. He had given his disciples instructions for the discharge of their duty, both before his death and since his resurrection, and this knowledge is enough for a Christian.

Christ is now parting from them, and parts in love; and yet he gives them this rebuke, which is intended for a caution to his church in ALL AGES, to take heed of splitting upon the rock which was FATAL to our FIRST PARENTS--an inordinate desire of FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE, and intruding into things which we have not seen because God has not shown them.
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My comments -

Matthew Henry states it well as he identifies date setters with the fall of Adam and Eve in seeking the forbidden tree.

And of course who was in the garden to tempt Eve to eat of the tree? Satan.

Satan tempted mankind to seek knowledge that was "commanded" NOT to seek.  In our day, Satan works through date-setting cults, such as Family Radio, to trap people to violate Revelation 22:18.

In addition, Acts 1:7 is a command "for all ages."   That command and warning does not get "negated" by a senile, twisted,  old man out of Oakland, CA and all his satanic disciples.  Their authority is to be rejected.  Their authority does not exist.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my FATHER ONLY" Matthew 24:36

Ask one Campingite what the Father ONLY means, and they remain deafening silent.

These verses are the foundation of faith, as any other verse in the Bible....a faith that Camping CHANGES to suit his satanic cult desires.

Family Radio and their hell-bound disciples are all in violation of Revelation 22:18-19, and the plagues of hell will be added to them, as they will be tormented forevermore...

Anonymous said...

For the record. Golda did not produce ALL the information in the book "We Are Almost There”. The fact is, Mr. Camping suggested that the year 2011 AD could be the end of the world in his book “1994?” (which was written in 1992). After 1994 came and went, several Family Radio supporters began to look further into 2011AD as a viable date for Christ’s return. In 2006, we began to investigate Mark 13:24 where we read that there would be a period of days after the tribulation. At that time, we concluded that “those days after the tribulation” were identified with Noah’s 150-day flood. We also concluded that this 150-day period was a time of judgment for those outside the ark (Christ). During that time, a few members of the Latter Rain group began to suggest that the great tribulation would last 8400 days (i.e. from 21 May 1988 to 21 May 2011).

In 2007, Thomas Golda popped up on the LR and began to argue forcefully (as is his manner) that “those days after the tribulation” would begin on 21 May 2011. He also offered time-paths which showed that 21 May 2011 is identified with Christ's deat on the cross in 33 AD (722,500 days). Of course, those who were already looking at 2011 AD in relation to Noah's 150-day flood offered no arguments against Golda’s time-paths. Our main concern was Golda’s rude behavior which eventually led to his removal from the group.

The point is, we have been studying the year 2011 AD as the date of Christ’s return for over 10 years. Over the past few years, Golda has produced numerous time paths--some of which proved to be valid while others seemed to bear no relationship to the Bible. Oftentimes, Mr. Camping receives “number crunching” time-path studies from people who have no understanding of sound doctrine. But occasionally some of these time-paths prove to be true. So, yes, Golda and others made a small contribution to the 2011 AD/5 months study but God used Mr. Camping to develop these ideas into sound doctrine. Golda needs to understand that God does not use brawlers to teach His people—He only uses humble men who are gentle and patient.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Fear God and give glory to Him,
Darrell

Anonymous said...

Darrell is re-writing history again. Tom Golda did not "pop up" on the Latter Rain group and immediately begin to argue. There is even an LR message (from the RW group) going back to 1999 sent by Bruno Kolberg in which Tom Golda's name is mentioned alongside of Tom Holt's (of CT) name.

Darrell wrote this message to his LR group on Sat. Jan. 13, 2007 (Msg. #28053):

DARRELL: "Amen Tom G... Now this is the sort of introduction that gives us confidence that a person is qualified to teach things related to the timing of the Lord's return. Look forward to studying with you!" END-QUOTE

The Latter Rainers were blinded by the light of Tom's glowing credentials, i.e., employed in in the corp. headquarters of the automotive industry; a BS degree in Bus. Admin; a double MBA degree in both Global Mgmt. and Finance; an FR listener since 1985; and several amazing timepaths (which we now know he has repented of).

Several Latter Rainers, including Tom Holt II and Marty Cattuzzo sent very warm messages of welcome to Tom, inviting him into their fold with open arms. Ken Bagwell, the moderator of the group even set up Tom's initial post as the group's standard for introductions. When I was following the coronation of Tom Golda as a highly qualified LR teacher, I was almost afraid that Harold Camping's position might be in jeopardy.

So much for qualified Latter Rain teachers. Just trying to keep it real, Darrell.

Anonymous said...

Darrell wrote: "Golda needs to understand that God does not use brawlers to teach His people — He only uses humble men who are gentle and patient."

Are the Latter Rain teachers currently being "humble", "gentle" and "patient" with LR member Sean Budde who has very politely been asking some good questions? They may not be using the agressive language that Golda uses, but they sure sound pretty angry and mean to me!

I see Sean getting beaten to a bloddy pulp - most recently by Tom Holt II and Larry Gillespie - just for asking questions! So what if the questions have been discussed before? Doesn't the LR group have new members who may not understand what was previously discussed? Louis was the only one who offered Sean any answers without chastising him for "doubting Harold Camping". It was not you, Darrell, but Dan Stevens and Mike Sheahan who came to Sean's defense.

Darrell, your group is just as closed now as Harold's Closed Open Forum. It is all smoke and mirrors to protect your many-layered false gospel. I once considered the LR a study group, but the only thing studied over that board is Harold Camping.

It is an absolute shame to witness the ungodly behavior being demonstrated by the brawling members of your Latter Rain group.

Anonymous said...

The following quote is from a LR Msg. #29 sent by Bruno Kholberg to Darrell Lockridge in June of 1999. It may be a carry-over message from the Reformed Watchman group:

"Note also that a 1446 BC Exodus (with the associated realignment of the internal biblical notices) makes 1995 the object year for so many time-spans, not 1994. Either way, it is possible—as both Tom Holt (CT) and Tom Golda suggest — that the Tribulation may have started then (that is, in 1994 [or 1995 in my calendar]). I guess we'll know one way or the other by the start of 2002."

LAMBSFURY said...

Darrell said:

"Our main concern was Golda’s rude behavior which eventually led to his removal from the group."

Satanic Cults usually need to come up with an "alibi" to why they do what they do. But the reality is, Darrell did not allow any more teachings on eternal torment, and gave a "February 2008" deadline for all teachers to "go away" who still did not obey Camping's annihialtion lie.

If you ask Darrell to name one thing that he disagreed with Camping over the last 15 years, he will remain deafening silent....because, while he does not openly admit it, he believes that Harold Camping and Family Radio is the special divine organization where God comes down to man. When Camping discarded the doctrine of Total Depravity, guess what, Darrell within 3 hours also changed his doctrine. And that goes along with every ludicrous teaching by Camping.

His counterpart, Tom Holt, personally told me that one day he took Harold Camping on a long drive to his trailer home in the mountains, and told him that he is Elijah that is prophesied in the Bible. Campingites literally worship him.

and if you ask Darrell to justify verses in the Bible that go against Camping's annihialtion lie, he will remain deafening silent.....but he likes the "we don't answer rude teachers" excuse, because it gives him the alibi to protect his annihilation god Camping that he prays to.

"Tribulation and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile"  Romans 2:9

Let them be confounded and TROUBLED FOR EVER; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish"  Psalm 83:17

"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to RESERVE the UNJUST unto THE DAY OF JUDGMENT to be PUNISHED: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities."  II Peter 2:9-10

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the GREATER DAMNATION."  Matthew 23:14

"Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive GREATER DAMNATION."  Mark 12:40

"Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive GREATER DAMNATION."  Luke 20:46-47

"And thou, Ca-per'-na-um, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be MORE TOLERABLE for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee"  Matthew 11:23-24

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were CAST ALIVE into a LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone." Revelation 19:20

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and THOU ART TORMENTED"

While Darrell will claim that Camping's annihialtion delusions are correct, if you ask Darrell to harmonize these verses in the light of Camping's apostasy, he will remain deafening silent and use the "we don't answer rude teachers" alibi to protect his god Camping...

Unknown said...

Another refutation of the New American Standard Bible & a rebuke to those who promote it:

THE NASV EXPOSED
The NASV is another Gnostic Book
by Dr. Ken Matto

Excerpt: http://www.scionofzion.com/nasvx.htm

"One of the more popular translations of the Bible in use today is the New American Standard Bible. This study will be patterned after our study "The NIV Exposed", allowing the NASV to be its own spokesman. We will see if the NASV is an accurate translation or if it is a departure from accuracy. The NASV will be compared to the versions listed below:

KJB - King James Bible
NAS - New American Standard Version
NAB - New American Bible (Roman Catholic Church)
NWT - New World Translation (Jehovah Witness)

The KJB verse will be first and the omitted or changed part of the verse will be underlined to indicate the corruption in the NAS. You will also see the NASV's absolute agreement with the NAB and the NWT.

I used the NASV for five years before God opened my eyes to the MASSIVE CORRUPTION within its pages. I will share fifty verses with you so you may be your own judge with the evidence right in front of you.
***********
(Prov 18:17 KJV) He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

I quote the above verse because so many refuse to do any comparisons of their pet version to the King James . They read one book by D.A. Carson or JAMES WHITE and believe they have all truth, yet, when challenged to compare, will not do it. Some want to be very obedient in their Christian life, yet when it comes to their Bible they totally refuse to check it out to see if they have the best version or if they are being duped for the bottom line of publishers and theologians. The above verse basically teaches that if someone presents something, they will seem correct without any comparisons but when another comes to compare, they may not be as correct as they want. Obviously, what keeps most Christians from doing a verse comparison is laziness and pride, because too many refuse to be wrong.
I am glad God showed me where I was wrong back in 1986 when I used the New American Standard and then came the comparison and then the garbage can for the NASV."

LAMBSFURY said...

As it is written, There is NONE RIGHTEOUS, no, NOT ONE: There is NONE that UNDERSTANDETH, there is NONE that SEEKETH AFTER GOD. They are ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, they are together become unprofitable; there is NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, no, NOT ONE" Romans 3:10-11

"The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are ALL GONE ASIDE, they are all together become filthy: there is NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, no, NOT ONE." Psalm 14:2-3

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is NONE THAT DOETH GOOD. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, no, NOT ONE." Psalm 53:1-3

The Campingites claim, at the orders of their cult leader Camping, that Total Depravity is wrong and that mankind of himself can do some "good."

This was the first among many Biblical doctrines that Camping "cast away" as Camping besides worshipping his false annihilation god, also worships his freewill god.

Since Camping discarded Total Depravity, the Campingites had to obey. They have no choice.

However, when you look at the above verses, God says over and over again, that there is NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, no, NOT ONE.

However, Camping claims that mankind of himself can do some good...

Similar to Camping says that Christ died TWICE. Even though the Bible says Christ died ONCE a half of dozen times, if Camping says Christ died TWICE, the Campingites have to obey.

There is not one bit of GOOD that mankind is capable of.

Even in unsaved mankind, you have people that are decent, moral, law-abiding people.

Why is that?

Because it is their nature to do so?

No, because God has a hand of restraint upon the human race, and when He removes that hand of restraint:

"Wherefore God also GAVE THEM UP to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves" Romans 1:24

"For this cause God GAVE THEM UP unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature" Romans 1:26

"And even as they did NOT like to retain God in their knowledge, God GAVE THEM OVER to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers..." Romans 1:28-29

God restrains sin in the human race, because mankind has no ability to do any good. When God "gives people up" and gives mankind over to their own heart's lusts, evil increases as man is capable of only evil.

That is why repentence can only come from God, as He "gives" repentance" to those He decides to:

"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will GIVE THEM REPENTANCE to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are TAKEN CAPTIVE by him at HIS WILL" II Timothy 2:25-26

Repentance must be "given" by God. Mankind has no ability to do any good....because all humanity is "taken captive" by the Devil.

That captivity cannot be overcome by the will of man, as Camping teaches.

There is NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, no, NOT ONE.

There is none that can do any good of themselves. It is not possible.

Total Depravity is 100% correct

The false religion of Campingism is 100% apostate

Tom

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Anonymous said...

April and Tom,

I apologize for referring to you as brawlers. I have no right to pass judgment on you.

Now that the debate is over this will be my last post on this blog. Hope you all have a blessed Sabbath.

Fear God and give glory to Him,
Darrell

Unknown said...

Another stern WARNING & REBUKE from Dr. Ken Matto to those who use, endorse and promote the New American Standard Bible:
Note how Dr. Matto does not ascribe the title “doctor” to James White

What Hort and Westcott Believed
by Dr. Ken Matto
Link to this article: http://www.scionofzion.com/haw.htm

“Whenever you speak of the work of any translation, knowing the belief system of the translators will give you insight into that translation. The King James translators started in 1604 with 54 but by reason of sickness and death, the end count was 47. Every translator of the King James Bible were solid born again Christians, including King James who authorized the translation. King James had nothing to do with the translation. The men who were chosen were tops in their field of languages. Here are just three examples:

Bishop Lancelot Andrews - Proficient in 20 languages including Greek Hebrew, Chaldee and Syriac and conversant in 15 of those languages

William John Bois - His father taught him Hebrew at age 5 and by time he was 6, he could write it. At the age of fifteen, he was a student at St. John’s college, Cambridge. (At 5 years old, I was playing with Lincoln Logs and Lionel trains.)

Dr. Miles Smith - He had a knowledge of Greek and Latin fathers and an expert in Chaldee, Syriac, Arabic, and Hebrew.

These are the men that JAMES WHITE, Stewart Custer, D.A. Carson, Bruce Metzger, Kenneth Barker, Don Wilkins, and other modern translators believe that they are smarter than. These guys do not have 1/100 of the knowledge that the King James translators possessed.

That is because the modern translators bask in their education and self-esteem, while the King James translators were all godly men who basked in Calvary.

Some of the modern translators of today:
Robert Bratcher - Good News Bible - Disbelieved the first three chapters of Genesis
Edgar Goodspeed - Revised Standard Version - Disbelieved in the deity of Christ and disbelieved the miracles of Christ.
Martin Woudstra - New International Version - Had oversight of the entire Old Testament - Sodomite
J.B. Phillips - New Testament in Modern English and NASB Interlinear Greek-English New Testament by Zondervan - Necromancer - Believed that C.S. Lewis appeared to him on his TV set a few days after the death of Lewis.
Philip Schaff - 1901 American Standard Version - Chairman - Sought the reuniting of the Protestant Church with Rome, had an audience with Pope Gregory the XVI.
Carlo Martini - United Bible Societies Greek New Testament - Jesuit Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church
Now let us be honest, is God going to hand His holy Word over to unbelievers, necromancers, Roman Catholics, Roman Catholic sympathizers, Sodomites, or people who disbelieve the actual text of Scripture? This is small as you will see what Hort and Westcott believed. Keep in mind the modern theologian and Pastor revere what these two say concerning textual criticism. If they didn’t, then the King James Bible would be in every church instead of the modern perversions. If your church uses modern versions, then it is a Hort and Westcott church, regardless of denomination.”

CORRUPT BIBLE PERVERSIONS ARE THE REAL ENEMY OF CHRIST'S CHURCH

LAMBSFURY said...

Darrell said:

"this will be my last post on this blog"

Of course it is.....because your strategy is to either "ban" people on your board who expose Camping's lies, and when you can't ban others, you "flee."

It does not change the fact that you can't harmonize these verses with Camping's annihilation lie.....no wonder why you removed every study on eternal torment from your apostate board. Because you know the Bible defeats you and your false cult of Campingism....

"Tribulation and ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN that DOETH EVIL, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile"  Romans 2:9

"Let them be confounded and TROUBLED FOR EVER; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish"  Psalm 83:17

"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to RESERVE the UNJUST unto THE DAY OF JUDGMENT to be PUNISHED: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities."  II Peter 2:9-10

"Woe unto you, SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the GREATER DAMNATION."  Matthew 23:14

"And thou, Ca-per'-na-um, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be MORE TOLERABLE for the LAND OF SODOM in THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, than for THEE"  Matthew 11:23-24

"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall ALL STAND before THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then EVERY ONE OF US shall GIVE ACCOUNT OF HIMSELF TO GOD." Romans 14:10-12

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were CAST ALIVE into a LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone." Revelation 19:20

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things UNDER THE EARTH; And that every tongue should CONFESS that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:10-11

"And his lord was wroth, and DELIVERED HIM TO THE TORMENTORS, till he should pay all that was due unto him.So likewise shall my heavenly Father DO ALSO UNTO YOU, if ye from your hearts FORGIVE NOT every one his brother their trespasses." Matthew 18:34-35

"But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and THOU ART TORMENTED" Luke 16:25

"And the devil that deceived them was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED day and night FOR EVER AND EVER." Revelation 20:10

How does it feel that you are being used of Satan to poison the world with Camping's annihilation lie?

Unknown said...

The Incomparable
King James Version

by Shaun Willcock, Gospel Minister / South Africa Bible-based ministries
http://www.biblebasedministries.co.uk/pamphlets/

"The King James Version is the most accurate translation of the Word of God into English ever produced; and, we venture to say, no more accurate English version will ever be produced. Firstly, because there is no need for one. The King James Version, which has served English-speaking Christians so well for over three and a half centuries, is perfectly capable of doing so for the time that is left before the Lord returns.
Secondly, because in these days of ecumenism, of widespread blindness and heresy throughout the Protestant institutions, there are few whom the remnant of God's people would be willing to entrust with the task.
Thirdly, because even if men could be found, the version they produce would not, now, supersede the King James Version in the hearts and affections of all God's people worldwide. And if it failed to supersede it, we would end up with two versions, causing confusion. This is not the sixteenth century, when one version was succeeding another rapidly--and the people wanted it that way, because they knew it had to be, for the translation of the English Bible was still being perfected. Today, those Christians who use and love the King James Version do not, for the most part, believe that another one is needed. They are perfectly happy with it, knowing that it is the unequalled masterpiece of English versions, upon which the blessing of God has rested for centuries, in the salvation of the lost and the edification of the saved. Once upon a time, English-speaking Christians everywhere used this version, and no other, and the Church was the better for it. Alas, those days have now gone!

We have a flood of perverted, corrupt versions in use, and yet look at the state of professing `Christianity'!

There can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever that there is a most definite correlation between the flood of false versions, and the widespread doctrinal chaos and ungodliness that everywhere abounds in what goes by the name of `Protestantism' today. At a time of great need, when Popery is slithering in everywhere, when heresies and cults abound, and when the religions of the east are taking root in the west, many Christians are attempting to meet these foes with blunted swords: versions which, although they may contain the Word of God, are not the Word of God in its entirety or in its purity. Oh, let the Christian reader, who uses an impure version, return to the Bible of his spiritual forefathers, the Bible upon which the Lord has placed his blessing as on no other; and let the Christian reader, who has cherished and cleaved to his good old King James Version through thick and thin, be encouraged by what has been written here to go on using it with confidence, knowing that it is the Word of God in English!"

Anonymous said...

Darrell,

FYI, I wasn't fishing for an apology from you. I was highlighting your own hypocrisy - not complaining about what you called me, either directly or indirectly at all.

You're the one who is so highly sensitive about name calling, not me. You're the one whose high honor is always at stake. Please spare me your fake apologies. I do not need them. Feel free to call me a "brawler", just as you call me - and everyone else who does not subscribe to your ghastly teaching - "mockers".

You are the real "mocker", Darrell, by claiming that Christ cannot return until the date you have predicted.

LAMBSFURY said...

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW THE TIMES OR THE SEASONS, which the Father hath put in HIS OWN POWER. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be WITNESSES unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight."  Acts 1:6-9

In Acts 1:6, the disciples wanted to know the timetable of the Last Day and Christ's return.

In Acts 1:7, Jesus rebuked them and said this knowledge is in the authority of the Father alone.

In Acts 1:8, Jesus declared what a believer is to be focused on....being witnesses to the uttermost part of the earth.

In Acts 1:9, Jesus ascends back to heaven

So, the last thing Jesus focused on before He went back to heaven was:

1. Being faithful witnesses and declaring the gospel to the uttermost part of the earth.

2. Avoid being interested in date setting....as the Father alone has this authority.

Despite Jesus' clear warnings, for the past 2000 years, date setters have tried to violate Jesus' command in Acts 1:7, and all established dates.  Even people such as Martin Luther and Jonathan Edwards violated this command..

When we look at what Martin Luther said in 1500AD

"I persuade myself verily, that the day of judgement will not be absent full three hundred years."

And what happened? The world did not end when he predicted.

Michael Stifel, a German mathematician, used the pulpit of Martin Luther's church to announce that the end times would begin on October 19, 1533 at 8:00 AM.

He even predicted the exact hour....and what happened? The world did not end when he predicted.

In 1588 AD,  Philip Melanchthon, ally of Martin Luther, claimed that a divine numerical cycle, chiefly utilizing the numbers 7 and 10, would culminate in 1588, which was 10x7, years from Luther's 1518 defiance of the Pope. It was then that the seventh seal would be opened, Antichrist be would be overthrown, and the Last Judgement would occur. --The Armada pg 175

More math calculations and human predictions....and what happened? The world did not end when he predicted.

In 1700AD  Sir Isaac Newton, the great scientist, predicted that the Jews would return to reclaim Jerusalem in 1899, and that the second coming of Christ would occur precisely forty-nine years later.

And what happened? The world did not end when he predicted.

In 1700AD,  Jonathan Edwards, premier evangelist,predicted the Devil would finally be vanquished in the year 2000, when the Millennium would begin. --Apoc pg 171

He predicted the end would come in 2000AD.....and 2000 came and went.

AD 1844 William Miller, a Massachussetts farmer, concurred that the Second Coming of Christ would take place between 21 March, 1843, and 21 March, 1844. When this time passed, Miller and his followers set up new dates, again with failure. Eventually the movement collapsed, but gave birth to Seventh Day Adventism, while also influencing the formation of several others, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. --SSA pg 58, TSOR pg 16, Doom pg 92-111

Isn't in interesting that so many date setters claim "This is 100%?"

The Campingites claim that Acts 1:7 is "negated" once 1988 came along.  As if they have some kind of authority to say this.  Acts 1:7 is no more "up until 1988" than Acts 1:8 and declaring the gospel to the uttermost part of the earth is "up until 1988."

Acts 1:7 continues to the Last Day and Acts 1:8 continues to the Last Day.

All these date setters the past 2000 years, all are not obeying the basic Biblical truth, as they violate Revelation 22:18-19, by "taking away" the truth of Acts 1:7 and "adding" falsehoods that are not the Word of God.

Tom

Unknown said...

Speaking of Revelation 22:18-19 . . Some glaring OMISSIONS found in the New American Standard perversion of God's precious Word!
***********
SOURCE:
A Comparison of the New American Standard Version (NASV)with the Authorised King James Bible (KJB) / Edited by David Otis Fuller
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NASV/nasv_vs_kjb.htm
EXCERPTS:

"BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURITH FOREVER. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." -1 Peter 1:25

“The following analysis of the NEW AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION (NASV) compared with the KING JAMES VERSION (KJV) is enlightening, to say the least!

The reader will note in the following examples that doubt is cast again and again upon the infallibility of God’s Holy Word when verse after verse is radically changed or omitted - often times without any explanation.

Isaiah 53:10 NASV: "... If He would render Himself as a guilt offering." KJV: "... When thou Shalt make his soul an offering for sin..." (This, in our humble opinion, is a very serious perversion.)

Hosea 11:12 NASV: "... Judah is also unruly against God, Even against the Holy one who is faithful." KJV: "... but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.’ (What is this but perversion!)

Mark 11:26 NASV: Omitted entirely but placed in the margin in italics explaining that "later manuscripts add verse 26." (The later manuscripts in many cases are better by far than the earlier ones.) KJV: "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Luke 4:8 NASV: Omits entirely, "Get thee behind me, Satan."

Acts 8:37 NASV: Omitted with a marginal note stating, "Late manuscripts insert verse 37, ‘And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.’" (Both Codex Aleph and B leave this verse out and they are two of the worst manuscripts: again this casts doubt upon another section of God’s Word.) KJV: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

Romans 1:16 NASV: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God..." KJV: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:" (The translators seem to dislike the word "Christ" very much!)

1 Corinthians 5:4 NASV: "In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus." (In both cases the name "Christ" is omitted with no reason given. Why do the translators of the NASV dislike the name "Christ" so much?)

2 Corinthians 11:31 NASV: "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus..." KJV: "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (We ask in all sincerity, "Are the translators anxious to get rid of the name `Christ’ altogether?")

Galatians 6:17b NASV: "... for I bear on my body the brand-marks of Jesus." KJV: "... for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." (It seems as if they don’t like the name "Lord" either.)

Ephesians 3:14 NASV: "For this reason, I bow my knees before the Father." KJV: "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. " (We ask in all sincerity, "Would the translators wish to get rid of the name entirely?")

1 Peter 3:15 NASV: "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts..." KJV: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts." (Is this another attempt to do away with the Deity of our Lord as in 1 Timothy 3:16?)

1 John 1:7b NASV: "... and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." KJV: "... and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (Let’s not stop the translators of getting rid of the name "Christ," they’re on a roll!)”

More here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NASV/nasv_vs_kjb.htm

LAMBSFURY said...

Having found my additional "Camping files" that I had buried from 15 years ago, I found my notes on Camping's Open Forum on all his date settings beyond 1994.

It is clear that Camping's apostate progressive revelation date settings are much greater than thought.

Here is the update:

1. 1978 - Camping declares to his Alameda Church that the rapture would occur in 1978

2. September 6, 1994 - Camping prediction # 2 - Based on 1994?

3. September 29, 1994 - Camping prediction # 3 - Based on 1994?

4. October 2, 1994 - Camping prediction # 4 - Claimed Christ was born Oct 2, in 7AD and would return exactly 2000 years later.

5. March 16, 1995 (Purim) - Camping prediction # 5 - Camping claims this is "Watch # 1" of a new wave of dates.

6. September 24, 1995 - Camping prediction # 6 - Camping claims this is "Watch # 2" - Camping claims that there is Biblical evidence of Christ returning "383 days" after September 6, 1994. Camping also claims that September 24, 1995 is 721 + 91 Ceros(A ceros is little over 18 years - 223 lunar cycles or revolutions. A ceros is the complete revoluation of the sun, moon, stars and planets) - Camping claims that these revolutions can predict the end. Camping also states that if you divide the 2300 days of Daniel 8 by the number "6" you get 383. Thus, according to Camping, you can add 383 days to September 6, 1994 and come to September 24, 1995. September 24, 1995 ends the magic 383 day period.

7. April 3, 1996 - Passover (Watch # 3)- Camping prediction # 7 - Camping claims that there is Biblical evidence of Christ returning 191 days after September 25, 1995 on the Passover.

8. May 3, 1996 - Camping prediction # 8 - Camping claims that there is a 30 day grace period after April 3, 1996 which Christ can return.

9. December 25, 1996 - Camping prediction # 9 - Camping claims that Christ will return on Christmas and that the Bible supported this.

Camping also claimed that May 21, 1988, the end of the church age, is supported by 721 revolutions of the stars, sun and planets. 721 Ceros.

So, we can see that Camping has had failed date after failed date, all by his apostate progressive revelations. His interest in numerology, astrology and witchcraft shows that he is satanic.

Even though Camping made at least 9 date setting failures of Christ's return, Camping's slaves continue to think that progressive revelation is given to him, and that date # 10 is 100% absolute.

I guess when you make 9 failed date settings by sorcery, that gives one the authority to try for # 10......

Tom

Unknown said...

We now have what is called a conundrum,regarding"lambsfury"
or Tom or Thomas Golda of N.J
Now it would seem on the surface
that Thomas who posts here as
"LAMBSFURY " is well taught of the BIBLE and one would say or could say is a very good writer just by the words he uses and one would /could think that he is "NOT OF THIS WORLD "BUT OF THE WORLD TO COME.........

BUT AND THERE IS ALWAYS A"BUT " THEN WHEN ONE VISITS HIS
"FACE BOOK SITE "

http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Golda/1617476400

THEN ONE GETS A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TAKE ON THOMAS...OR TOM ...OR LAMBSFURY....
ONE NOW WOULD/COULD SAY THAT FROM FIRST BLUSH"THOMAS IS IN FACT A MAN OF THIS WORLD BASED ON HIS FACE BOOK SITE ...SO FAR..more to come

Now one must ask this question is it possible that there is a layered "cover" for someone who "really " dislikes Harold Camping to the degree that he wishes to use language and comments that are so vitriolic in his attempt to
dis-lodge the FAMILY RADIO PRESIDENT....THAT HE HIDES AND WRITES IN THE SHADOWS THEN HAS SOMEONE LIKE "LAMBSFURY" POST IN
TOM'S NAME ??????????

OF COURSE IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY IN THE BUSINESS AND POLITICAL WORLD.
SO A PASTOR ,A PERSON WITH A DEGREE
WOULD CHOOSE TO BE VERY VERY CAREFUL WITH HOW IT WRITES AND DISTRIBUTES THE MATERIAL...IT WOULD BE A 'LAYERED COVER".....
NOW UNLESS TOM IS A JEKYLL & HYDE

IT NOW BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING HE WRITES FROM THE VIEW OF A "CHRISTIAN" WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE "REAL WORLD HE LIVES IN"..AM I JUDGING ?? NO HE IS ADVERTISING..LOOK FOR YOURSELF THEN YOU DECIDE!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Golda/1617476400

MORE TO COME....SOON
Dennis O'DAY

should there be those who want to contact me concerning this matter please do so here
dennis.oday1@gmail.com

Unknown said...

White and the host made fools of themselves,
they were in fact attempting to gain customers for there web-stores.
if one takes the time to review the comment section you will clearly see
that the favorable posts went to Camping.
the host was "selling Whites books there must have been a commission paid for each sale to the host,and it was so out in the open...HOW SAD,HOW SAD.
I PREDICT THAT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE WE WILL SEE BOTH wHITE AND THE HOST FOLD UP THERE STORES AND
TALK SHOWS THEN WHAT WILL THEY DO ????
OH WHAT A STORY THEY WILL LEAVE!

By the way ..all the books that white sells cost money plus shipping

all the books from family radio are FREE AND NO COST FOR SHIPPING
NOW watch this just like the host did ..
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kevin said...

camping is a really great activity to do with your family, its a great stress reliever and makes the kids happy. setting up the
hiking tents
, cooking barbecue. its just awesome

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